Hacker History sits down with Michael Lenz. Michael started out in the Commodore 64 era with the usual games and BBS where many others started. His story takes a really interesting turn when he gets himself into infosec (before it's called infosec). He builds a SOC and eventually a SIEM. Before both of those things really existed at most companies. Michael closes out the chat with his experiences attending and starting Burbsec meetups for fellow security nerds.